Strike talks frustration: Millions face travel misery after union 'unable to talk'

23 June 2022, 09:25 | Updated: 23 June 2022, 09:26

The RMT union was "unable" to engage in conversation because of a meeting "a week on Friday", a Network Rail negotiator has told LBC's Nick Ferrari at Breakfast.

Speaking about negotiations yesterday that failed to yield a resolution, chief negotiator Tim Shoveller said it was "frustrating" and "enormously disappointing".

"It was a really frustrating day yesterday because we'd hoped to make some really substantial progress, we were aiming to put another offer on the table, and ideally avert today's strike," he said.

"So it was enormously disappointing for us and I think for the trade unions involved that we weren't able to do that."

He then said that, whilst the RMT attended, they were unable to have "substantial" negotiations with them because of a meeting between the union and the company scheduled for next Friday.

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"The RMT were unable to talk to us because we've invited them to a meeting a week on Friday to start the process of consultation to change the structure of the railway," he said.

"And we need to do that, it's required by law, and we need to do that if we're unable to make progress through negotiation.

"So the RMT were unable to negotiate with us yesterday."

But he added: "Hopefully we're going to have a much more fruitful day today."

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Nick put the claims to RMT general secretary Mick Lynch minutes later.

Mr Lynch said there was a need to coordinate different meetings between lots of different companies and denied the RMT had walked out of the meeting.

"We didn't walk out," he said.

"We had an adjournment, we met them again later."

Mr Lynch said the RMT was in "continuous discussions" with Mr Shoveller to resolve the dispute but said the government was not allowing the companies to negotiate freely.

"One of the key issues is that that government are not allowing the companies to negotiate in a free way that a normal business might do because they're having to deliver government policy at the bargaining table, and that makes this very difficult," he said.

"The government's agenda is to drive down public sector pay... but they're also seeking to drastically change the conditions of our members."

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On Thursday the Government will unveil plans to change the law to enable businesses to supply skilled agency workers to plug staffing gaps during industrial action.

The move comes as tens of thousands of railway workers stage a second strike in a bitter dispute over jobs, pay and conditions.

Ministers pointed out that under current trade union laws, employment businesses are restricted from supplying temporary agency workers to cover for strikers, saying it can have a "disproportionate impact".

The legislation will repeal the "burdensome" legal restrictions, giving businesses impacted by strike action the freedom to tap into the services of employment businesses who can provide skilled, temporary agency staff at short notice, said the Government.

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It would also help mitigate against the impact of future strikes, such as those seen on the railways this week, by allowing trained, temporary workers to carry out crucial roles to keep trains moving, said ministers.

They gave examples of skilled temporary workers being able to fill vacant positions such as train dispatchers.

Subject to parliamentary approval, the changes are made through a statutory instrument and are set to come into force over the coming weeks and will apply across England, Scotland and Wales.

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Business Secretary Kwasi Kwarteng said: "Once again trade unions are holding the country to ransom by grinding crucial public services and businesses to a halt. The situation we are in is not sustainable.

"Repealing these 1970s-era restrictions will give businesses freedom to access fully skilled staff at speed, all while allowing people to get on with their lives uninterrupted to help keep the economy ticking."

Transport Secretary Grant Shapps said: "Despite the best efforts of militant union leaders to bring our country to a standstill, it's clear this week's strikes did not have the desired impact due to more people being able to work from home.

"However, far too many hard working families and businesses were unfairly affected by union's refusal to modernise.

"Reforms such as this legislation are vital and will ensure any future strikes will cause even less disruption and allow adaptable, flexible, fully skilled staff to continue working throughout."

The Government also announced it is raising the maximum damages that courts can award against a union, when strike action has been found by the court to be unlawful.

For the biggest unions, the maximum award will rise from £250,000 to £1 million.

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A Network Rail spokesperson said: "This is welcome news and could help us to offer a better service to our passengers during strike days if this dispute drags on.

"While key safety-critical roles require many months of training, there are many other roles where they could be used, such as in security operations, which would make a real difference."

Last ditch talks failed to stop Thursday's union walk out which will again see much of the country's train services scrapped.

As negotiations failed yet again, the division became increasingly acrimonious, with the RMT accusing Transport Secretary Grant Shapps of "wrecking" negotiations by refusing to allow Network Rail to withdraw redundancy threats.

Mr Shapps called the claim "a total lie", adding the union was solely to blame for the "massive disruption".

RMT boss Mick Lynch held firm over demands about pay, jobs and conditions, while the Government has warned the action risks the future of their jobs and passenger faith in the rail network.

The impact on today is set to be similar to Tuesday's – although commuters in London will be able to use the Tube this time.

TUC general secretary Frances O'Grady said: "The government should be getting people around the table to find a fair resolution to this rail dispute.

"But ministers are more interested in cynically picking a fight with unions than reaching a negotiated settlement.

"Having slammed P&O for replacing experienced workers with agency staff, Grant Shapps is using the same playbook.

"These plans are a deliberate attempt to undermine the right to strike and to reduce workers' bargaining power.

"Bringing in less qualified agency staff to deliver important services will endanger public safety, worsen disputes and poison industrial relations.

"Unions and the agency recruitment industry have both warned ministers these plans are unworkable."

Angela Rayner, Labour's Deputy Leader and shadow secretary of state for the future of work, said: "This is a recipe for disaster, not just undermining pay and working conditions, but risking public safety and ripping up ministers' own words.

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"The Government appear to have learned nothing from the P&O scandal, which resulted in multiple safety failures and the grounding of vessels.

"The idea this could solve the travel chaos they have created is just more Tory fantasy in place of real solutions.

"It's no wonder business leaders oppose it as much as trade unions do. It's just another Tory tactic to inflame more disputes in the country they should be leading, not dividing."

Gary Smith, GMB general secretary said: "It's shameful that instead of helping to find sensible, negotiated solutions to legitimate disputes, this government has pressed the P&O button.

"Working people across the country are suffering and taking action to feed their families and pay their bills during this cost-of-living crisis but Boris Johnson and his team just don't want to know.

"In fact, they want to make it harder for people to defend their standards of living.

"With every passing day we see just how out of touch this Government is."

Unison's assistant general secretary Jon Richards said: "A plan to tackle the cost-of-living crisis should be the Government's focus, not picking a fight with key workers and their unions.

"The use of agency staff creates safety issues and risks damaging relations between employers and their employees.

"Ministers' time would be much better spent listening to the concerns of public sector workers and investing in them with the decent pay rises needed to protect essential services."